Clermont Planning and Zoning Transcript 5/5/26

      
19:15 All right. So, it is 6:30. So, I'll go ahead and I will call this meeting to order.
19:21 This is the May 5th, 2026 uh Clermont Planning and Zoning Committee meeting.
19:30 Perfect. Thank you. Uh I am going to actually can the clerk go ahead and uh please call role. Thanks.
19:38 Commissioner Tedona present.
19:40 Commissioner May here.
19:42 Commissioner Ansua here.
19:44 Commissioner Kramer here.
19:46 Commissioner Hoisentine here. and uh Commissioner Colby and Neim are out today.
19:53 Perfect. So uh role has been confirmed.
19:57 Um we will go ahead and move to the pledge of allegiance. So please stand as we are able as as you are able to recite the pledge of allegiance.
20:07 To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
20:16 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Seated.
20:24 Thank you. Uh, and I'll go ahead and I'll remind everybody that please make sure your microphone or uh your phones are turned off right now, but on before
20:32 speaking. And anyone speaking at the podium, um, the mic should already be on. Also, please go ahead and make sure you're speaking directly into the mic
20:39 um, so those who are watching online can hear you. And the same thing goes for the podium. Um, and as a reminder, this meeting is being recorded and
20:47 broadcasted on the city's YouTube um, YouTube channel, City of Clermont. So,
20:55 so commissioners, you should have received the minutes from the planning and zoning meeting on April 7th, 2026.
21:02 Um, if there are addition no additions, corrections, or questions, I'll entertain a motion and a second for approval. Uh, chair, I have one tiny
21:12 correction that I already showed Ray and it was where if I can find it again.
21:18 Okay, it was the motion to re recommend approval of ordinance number 2026-009
21:25 should read motion to recommend approval of resolution number. So, but Ray already caught that. It's on page 10 and um she's going to make that adjustment.
21:35 Perfect. Thank you, Clerk Ray, and uh thank you, Commissioner. So, um, I'll make a motion that we approve the April 7th, 2026 meeting minutes.
21:46 Can I get a second? Second with a noted correction.
21:50 Perfect. Now that we have a a um a motion and a second, uh, let's go ahead and get a vote. All those in favor, please say I. I.
21:58 I. And all those opposed, please say no.
22:01 All right. Chair votes I. So, uh, the minutes are carried. So we will move on to uh meeting reports for commissioners.
22:12 Um so we can go ahead and start with actually let's go with commissioner Teddona if that works for you.
22:20 Thank you Mr. Chair.
22:22 Is it all right if I uh Yes. I usually bring something to the party.
22:27 Um so part of my report uh I and other my fellow commissioners uh attended the meeting with the city council. I thought
22:35 it was an excellent meeting. There were three meetings I attended that day. They were awesome. Um, I think we had an
22:42 opportunity to show how some of our questions help sort out some of the packet and give a little bit more
22:49 information to the city um leaders can make good decisions. Hopefully, there's a better understanding of what we do and
22:58 why we do it. And supposedly there is an upcoming checklist that's coming out that might even streamline and or make
23:05 the process a little bit better. In front of you is a article from the New York Post. Uh looks like New York City
23:13 DOT. I know I'm not in New York anymore, but um wants to expand Park Avenue from
23:20 East 46th Street to East 57th Street uh with some expanded medians, wider
23:26 sidewalks, an abundance of greenery. Um they want to make a more usable space
23:34 um featuring benches, possibly a bike lane. Um, also to promote more
23:40 walkability to shops, offices, and apartments. So, just kind of wanted to show you what New York is doing with
23:48 mixed use and a city that's been established that long to try to make some changes to make things a little bit
23:55 more pedestrian friendly. Um, it it never that quest never stops.
24:01 The other article is from the Clermont Sun and unfortunately Clermont was named uh one of the country's top
24:08 burnout belts. Clermont has been named one of the country's worst burnout belts according to a new study into daily work
24:16 drives and their effect on mental well-being. So a typical ride now getting to and from work can create
24:25 stress. Um people are losing valuable hours of every day just to go to work in Orlando. Uh between uh combination of
24:33 stop start traffic, unpredictable delays. Uh my wife and I drive to John
24:39 Young Parkway and 50 uh every day. U what used to take 35 minutes to come
24:46 home yesterday took an hour and 40 minutes. Traffic was backed up into a COE. Um, so you know, some folks hate
24:55 when I make um comparisons to New York, but this is like sitting on the Belt Parkway all over again. Um, so hopefully
25:04 with information like this, maybe it's a a combination of doing things within the city of Clermont, maybe it's a matter
25:13 of asking DOT to take a look at like some light timing. Uh, maybe they could do that so we could get traffic flowing.
25:22 But um somewhere along the line, I just hate to be the uh rusty wheel, but um something needs to get done eventually.
25:30 Thank you, Mr. Chair.
25:32 Thank you, Commissioner. Um we'll move on to Commissioner May.
25:38 Thank you. I just want to wish everybody a happy Cinco de Mayo. Um, and just to let everybody know what that means. And
25:45 it's not just about having a nice drink and tacos and all that great Mexican food. But actually, Cinco de Mayo is
25:52 celebrating to uh to commemorate the Mexicans's army's unlikely victory over French forces at the battle of Pueblo.
26:01 That actually occurred on May 5th, which is today 1862. So, I just wanted to give a little fun fact on Cinco de Mayo. So,
26:09 happy Cinco de Mayo everybody. Um, I also wanted to let everybody know that I
26:14 was invited uh to attend an annual um developers conference down in Miami
26:22 which is about 300 400 people in attendance. It's an invite only uh put together by Bills and
26:30 Sunberg. Uh what they do is they try to provide information on with the you know
26:36 a lot of developers um a lot of developers were there but mostly um keeping up to what is happening in South
26:45 Florida mostly on the laws in in Tallahassee what has passed and what hasn't passed and so I'll have a report
26:53 uh provided by them uh to provide to you all for the next meeting on that. Um, and also wanted to thank um the city
27:02 council and the staff for everybody for the workshop. I thought that was a really great um collaboration between the city council and the and the um
27:10 planning and zoning. And Christian, thank you for being there as well. Um, but I thought that was very helpful. So, I appreciate that. And um and that's it for my reports.
27:20 Thank you, Commissioner May. Um, Commissioner Hoisington, I know I skipped around a little.
27:28 Thank you. Um I also attended the meeting on the 21st and thought it was very valuable. Um thank um the council
27:36 for putting that gathering together and looking forward to us getting our how do what do I call it? Scorecard.
27:43 Yes, our scorecard. Looking forward to us getting our scorecard to help us as we make decisions here. And that's all I and wish every mother a happy Mother's Day.
27:51 Yeah. Good.
27:54 Thank you, Commissioner Hoisington. And then lastly, Commissioner Kramer.
27:58 Thank you, Chair. Good evening. I'd like to also begin by thanking the city council for including the planning and zoning in the recent workshop. Being
28:06 part of those discussions helps ensure alignment between boards and ultimately leads to better, more informed decisions for our community. I also want to
28:15 express my support for recent conversations around the dark sky initiatives. This is something I've consistently supported and I believe it
28:24 represents a thoughtful balance between safety sustainability and preserving the character of our city. And finally, I'd
28:31 like to encourage residents to take a few minutes and complete the parks and recreation survey that's available currently on the city of Clermont
28:38 website. It's an important opportunity for the community to provide input that will help shape future investments and priorities. Thank you.
28:47 Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Um, and as for me, I do not have a report. So, before we move on to the first item, staff, do you all have a report?
28:58 Perfect. Thank you so much. Um, so we will move on to the next item on the agenda, which is new business. Um,
29:06 oh yes, the item on the agenda. Um, item number one, resolution number 2026-011R mayo conditional use permit.
29:20 Thank you, chair. Good evening, planning and zoning commissioners and guests.
29:23 Nick and Zos development services. This is agenda item one, my Omero CUP. The applicant is requesting a conditional
29:30 use permit to allow the operation of a mobile food dispensing vehicle, a food truck on an improved parcel designated
29:38 within the C2 general commercial zoning district. The proposed location is 477
29:44 East Highway 50 within the Senoko, Texico parking lot. The applicant proposes to operate a single food truck,
29:52 Myomero, offering freshly prepared, authentic Venezuelan cuisine. This use is intended to provide the community
29:59 with high quality, culturally diverse food options in a clean, safe, and professionally operated mobile kitchen.
30:07 The proposed hours of operation are 7 days a week, 400 p.m. to 10 p.m. The applicant has provided written authorization from the property owner
30:15 allowing the use of the property, including access to restroom facilities for patrons.
30:21 The applicant will comply with all city regulations, Lake County Health Department, and state license licensing requirements and standards. Uh, as you
30:30 can see here, the uh property is highlighted in yellow. Uh, this is off
30:36 of Anderson and 50. And this is the convenience store located here. And the gas pumps are right here.
30:50 The food truck is propo proposed to be located on the east side of the property adjacent to the convenience store. The final location will be confirmed during
30:58 site review to ensure compliance with all applicable building and fire safety codes. Additionally, the applicant has indicated that the fruit chuck will stay
31:06 on the property overnight and would have a commissary to drop off waste. And here we can see is the red outline is where
31:15 the food food truck location is being proposed. Uh adjacent to the convenience store.
31:25 Here you can see the survey that was provided.
31:28 Uh this is East Highway 50 Anderson Street and then the convenience store and then the food truck location.
31:39 Currently there is an existing food truck operation approximately 800 ft to the west located at 300 East Highway 50.
31:46 This operation consists of three food trucks that are operated and housed on the property along with being stored on the property overnight. No document
31:55 documented complaints have been received by code enforcement and this operation has been existing since mid 2024. The
32:02 proposed food truck use at 477 East Highway 50 is very similar in nature and operation to the existing one at 300
32:10 East Highway 50. The city's land development code does not identify food trucks as a permitted use within the C2
32:17 general commercial district. As such, section 125-313 requires approval of a CU for this type
32:25 of operation. Although the C2 district permits restaurants and food establishments when conducted within an enclosed structure, staff finds a
32:34 proposed use is compatible with the district and would not be more objectionable than any other permitted use.
32:41 When evaluating a CUP, the land development code section 101-212 requires specific development standards
32:48 that are required to be met. Staff has reviewed the application as submitted in accordance with the development standards criteria and finds the
32:55 proposed use can meet the general criteria for granting ACUP. The proposed use will not be gent detrimental to the
33:02 health, safety, and welfare of the surrounding community. Staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit with the conditions contained in resolution number 2026-011R.
33:14 And that concludes SAS presentation.
33:19 Thank you, staff. Um, is the applicant here today? They're present. They could come up.
34:00 the the applicant's here to answer any questions. He's uh fluent in Spanish, but his son is here to translate for.
34:05 Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um, is there anything that is there anything that he would like to disclose or say before I move to public comment?
34:18 Answer questions.
34:19 Thank you, Nick. Um, okay. So, as you all see, the applicant is here. I will go ahead and open it up to public comment before uh handing it to the
34:28 board. So, if there is anybody in the public who wants to comment on this item, um, please come up, state your
34:35 name, where you live, and, uh, go ahead and tell us what you think.
34:45 Hello. I've been a resident.
34:48 Before Before you start, could you give me your name and your address, please?
34:51 Yes. My name is uh, Sherry Brady, and I live on Anderson Street, and I've lived there for over 30 years. Perfect. Go ahead.
34:58 I want you to know, you said you didn't have any public oppos, but they have very loud music all the time.
35:09 We feel like that it's a detriment to include this there in Anderson Street.
35:16 Um, it still is a little bit of a small town in that area. Um, my major concerns
35:25 are people coming across the street to get over there. A lot of people walk across. It's very busy. The other place
35:33 has a street that goes behind it that people can pull in. They're not having to pull that, you know, pull in there.
35:39 The other thing, um, is, you know, there is concern about rodents and about those kind of things because we don't live
35:48 very far from there. And um my husband also has concerns. Uh
35:56 yes. Um I I just don't know how to say that. I
36:04 feel like it's a very much an invasion of our neighborhood. Um there's been a lot of um people starting to build um more duplexes and those kind of things.
36:16 the dynamics of the neighborhood.
36:18 There's a few of us trying to hold on to the place that I raised my kids, my grandkids, and I enjoy living there. And
36:27 I don't feel like this is going to in any way um help improve the community.
36:34 And then how many is enough if you get one? Then they have three over there.
36:39 They still have signs for rent. How many are going to get to come in? Not just one. because once you start it um that I
36:48 know the developer there for a minute and he'll keep he'll continue to push as far as he thinks that that he can go. Um my husband is uh certified in propane.
37:00 There's another concern that we have if you want to explain. Yes. Okay. Whatever you're doing.
37:06 Well, I just um Thank you, ma'am.
37:11 Yeah. Good evening to everyone. Uh we appreciate your time this and that and congratulations man. I'm a small business owner too. So we're not here with anything to do with you or that.
37:20 We're just so we I do have some concerns. My name is Robert Polley. I am a small business owner as well. We do reside at 1319. It's the next street over from where you're at.
37:30 Perfect.
37:30 Um our biggest concern is it's it now that I hear the hours 10:00 at night. It's dark out there.
37:37 She has been hit twice. I've been hit twice trying to get into Anderson Street. It's extremely busy. Y'all know that. You just talked about the traffic.
37:46 So, now this is just going to do nothing but add additional traffic of people coming in there. Um I think we already have lots. We got what First Friday for
37:54 food trucks. Um we have there's places down in Groveland that's not as far already places like that. Um I don't
38:02 have a issue with the business owner, but he has a home next to us. I understand it's a hey, if I can rent this out, but like my wife says, when
38:11 does it stop? We have one in. That's a big lot right now. If you go out and look, there's an RV park back there. There's a Jeep parked back there.
38:18 There's already vehicles piled up behind the place. The food truck.
38:22 Yeah. And and the food truck's already sitting there. So whether it's operational or not, but it it what it displays to me is, oh, we already know that we're going to get approved here.
38:31 Let's just set it here when we go through. That's why we're here. I don't come out and raise any stuff. I don't say anything about this. There's a lot going on. Maybe the general public
38:40 should come out more. It is Cinco de Mayo. A lot of people are having a good time. They're not here uh um dealing with this. Um that's my The other thing
38:49 is propane. I am an RV tech. I am licensed and insured through uh FDACS.
38:56 Um in the state of Florida, it's it's against the law to touch anything. Propane. It's a class three felony.
39:01 Right now, I believe the There's so many techs right now that are operating on RVs that do not have this license.
39:07 They're running wild. FDACS cannot govern them. How are we going to govern food trucks? They have 200, 100 pound propane bottles on it. We have an open
39:16 flame. Now we're going to stick this right by a gas station. I mean, so now you start putting three, four operating at 10:00 at night. I mean, there's just
39:25 a lot there that I'm worried about. Um, and we do live two streets over, so we haven't heard the food trucks. We do hear there's another restaurant there.
39:34 They do play their music loud. We don't call officers. We don't try to complain.
39:39 We don't, you know, we we just want to get along with everybody. But you put one food truck in, there's probably room
39:47 for six or seven. When does that stop in that area? Like I said, nothing against you. Congratulations. I'm a small business. It has nothing to do with,
39:55 man, I wish it much success. It just I think there's a better spot than right there. So, but uh that's really
40:02 all I have to say. I mean, like I said, it's nothing. I I congratulate anyone. I promote small business. Uh I do
40:09 everything I can to for the community. I mean, I just worry. I mean, when does it stop?
40:18 So, and that's really all we got to say that I do wish you much success. Thank you, sir.
40:27 Is there anybody else from the public who would like to speak?
40:32 Okay, seeing no one no one else from the public, I will bring it back to council.
40:37 Um, let's go ahead and start. Would you like to start?
40:42 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I I don't really have any questions, but
40:51 part of it is more of a concern. So, I got a note down here that says, "So,
40:58 so on walkability." Um, I know where I I I passed where you were uh on the way here. And yes, I did see
41:06 the food truck sitting in the back already. Um you might have some traffic
41:12 from across Anderson and as the the resident mentioned it going across east
41:19 uh Highway 50 which is a a death trap as we know. I guess part of my concern is
41:26 once this is up and running, if it stays as one truck, a couple of other food trucks that came
41:34 up in front of us did at least talk about the additional traffic andor
41:43 parking in the area. So, I'm not looking for a guarantee. Nobody could give us that. But I would imagine
41:53 that there's got to be some sort of a contingency plan or something in the back of your mind that as you get busier
42:01 on this piece of property and please understand nobody nobody considers human nature. I pull up, my
42:10 tank is empty. I'm going to fuel up my car. I'm going to walk over to your food truck. I'll dillydally. I'll walk around
42:17 while my car is fueling up. There may be lines forming for gas. I mean, it it could be, it couldn't be. You're going
42:25 to have people coming down Anderson across East 50 coming around Almond Street to try to go in there and park.
42:33 Whether they park in front of the convenience store, on the side of the convenience store, there's nothing in here that says there's a with all due
42:41 respect, five minute minimum to go get your food and leave. So to some of the
42:48 concerns of the residents, um I I guess as long as people can still navigate and
42:55 get in and get out and that if I do decide to cross Anderson or Highway 50 or come back through Almond Street, I
43:04 don't have to worry about getting hit by a car, you know. Um, again, I I hope you
43:11 make a million dollars, but in the back of your mind when you start seeing that
43:17 fill up with cars to try to get to food, we just don't want a problem with people getting out of hand or losing control
43:26 because I still got to get gas. You know what I mean? So, if the if the if it wraps around the corner because people
43:34 want to eat your food, that's great. God bless you. Make money. But at the same time, to their point, you you got to
43:41 kind of be cognizant of what is going on in that parking lot. Fair enough.
43:48 Okay, that's all I have, Mr. Chair.
43:51 Thank you, Commissioner Sedona. Um, Commissioner May.
43:58 So, I kind of looked at this as well um as comparing it to the other two food trucks that have come in front of us.
44:08 And I know each one has to be looked at differently. Um and there was a lot of differences
44:16 between the other two that came in front of us. So, my concern as well, um, as
44:23 Commissioner Teddona was bringing up, is on the going in and out of the traffic. I'm I'm
44:31 looking at it now, just to just to let you know, I'm looking at it right now on a on an aerial. Um,
44:38 in regards to where the food truck Well, first of all, um, is the reason why they're coming in front of us is because the food truck is
44:45 already there because I'm being told that the food truck's there. I didn't pass by the site. So, um, was the food truck already there and they're just now
44:54 applying for the food truck? I just wanted to the the when they originally came to us, it was actually parked at a different
45:00 location. Um, this was stem from uh, code enforcement reaching out to them of, hey, you can't operate with I don't
45:08 I don't believe they're operating it, but just saying you can't operate until you get a conditional use permit. uh through that that application process
45:16 they found a different location um which would be this current location that it's currently parked at but not operational.
45:23 Okay. So it's not operational but it is there. Okay. So I just wanted to confirm with um the gentleman from the public now.
45:31 And I know this is not set in stone either, the location of where this food truck is at, because right now based on
45:38 what I see on the aerial, and I'm assuming it's still there to where that is, it seems like it's parked right next
45:46 to the where people get their uh tires, air tires. Um so there's going to be some obstruction there. Um,
45:56 also, you already answered the question that it's going to be uh there all the time.
46:02 So, it's going to be parked. It's not It's not a trailer, so it doesn't go in and out. Uh, it's going to be parked there all the time. 4 to 10 p.m. I'm
46:09 assuming it's just for dinner time. Is it going to be a takeout only? Um, or is there going to be people sitting? Is Is
46:18 it takeout or is or are you going to have a seating area for people to sit down?
46:31 Take out only.
46:32 So take out only. So no asentos, no seats, no. Okay.
46:39 Now from the 400 p.m. to 10 p.m. is there any lighting? I don't see any lighting there. Is there going to be any lighting uh per se?
47:01 So, because it'll be at night, there is some lighting on the food truck.
47:05 So, some lighting on the food truck, but not in the surrounding areas where people are going to park other than where where the uh if the gas station has provided lighting, but we
47:13 can we'll go through that through site review um with our public works department. Uh and then fire would be uh
47:20 looking at as well and and planning because as again comparing it to the other ones, I know that the food trailer
47:27 was going to supply some lighting if they need it. Um and and of course Wall-E is, you know, they have the
47:35 lighting from the Home Depot. So, that uh for me is kind of a concern, especially since it gets really dark, especially at 10:00 p.m.
47:42 Yeah, they they propose to have some lighting on the truck to to provide lighting for the I just don't know if it's sufficient enough, especially if you're going to be
47:50 going in and out with parking. Um you already take out our service. Okay.
47:55 Lighting. Is there any electrical power that they're going to be using? A generator, anything that's going to cause any any sound, any noise?
48:15 electricity.
48:21 The gas station will provide uh electricity. Okay.
48:24 Um but we can we can put that in the resolution.
48:28 Okay. But we also have to get I guess a permission from from the from the owner.
48:32 Yeah. That'll have to be included in the authorization letter.
48:34 Yeah. cuz that we had that authorization on Home Depot.
48:38 Home Depot. But the only thing that we have here is just the use of the restroom facilities. So I'll we can clarify that.
48:44 Okay. So that Okay. So in regards to the electric the electric power, there's no nothing really on the truck per se. It's just coming from the convenience store.
48:54 Okay. Uh parking. Now the parking is what I have a concern because uh Commissioner Tenona had kind of brought
49:01 it up. Where are they supposed to be? Is there going to be a designated parking?
49:05 I know we had designated parking. Um, in regards to the first trailer um because it was their property Wallyburg burger different because it's Home Depot.
49:14 There's already enough parking. Where is the designated parking here? So, because it is an an improved lot.
49:21 That's the difference with the the other uh trailer you're mentioning. Uh there is parking that's on site. Uh but in the
49:29 resolution if we do see that parking is inadequate we have um on the conditions
49:36 number eight if uh parking is at the site is deemed to be inadequate the applicant agrees to city council at a public hearing has the right to amend or revoke the cup.
49:45 Right. So what does inadequate mean to you?
49:49 What does that mean inadequate? No, I'm just saying because I'm just, you know, there's no designated parking.
49:54 If there's if there's a a recurring problem that is that is happening on site and it caused the attention of the city, then we would call that inadequate.
50:04 Okay. Cuz I remember from the trailer, I know again every site is different. Every site is different. Yep.
50:09 But that particular one when I asked how did you guys come to the parking requirements, you all stated that it was based on the pad.
50:17 Well, it truck not on the truck.
50:20 it was on the pad itself. That's how you guys determine the number of parking spaces for that specific trailer.
50:29 Well, I I think with that one, it's it's a little bit different because it was a unimproved parcel and this is an an
50:36 improved parcel. So, we're looking at it in two different areas of uh this improved parcel has already parking that
50:44 um as far as with the current use as a gas station, it's not the the parking spaces aren't full at all at all times.
50:52 But if we do see that a problem with now having having another use on property, if parking be does become a problem,
51:00 that's where we have this to the ability to revoke it. It's just I, you know, everybody should be uh, how do you say it?
51:07 Adding adding parking to their use or Well, not not adding parking, but you know, we're looking at each one separately, but we also have to be equal
51:15 as well in regards to the requirements for each. So, and so you're comparing this particular
51:22 food truck to the ones that were down the street, right? The ones that are kind of in contained. It's right next to
51:31 a real estate company. They share parking. There's three parking spaces. There's trees. They have it enclosed. It's a seating area.
51:39 But you all had um also required certain parking for them because of the three. So I'm just want to make sure that everybody is
51:47 treated equally. So if we're requiring parking for one, we're requiring parking for a trailer, we're requiring, you know, for the Wallyburgers, I think they
51:55 should also be required some numbers of parking spaces as well because it because they could get busy.
52:02 I mean, it could be one of those, hey, there's $2 gas and all of a sudden everybody's out there is everybody's in line.
52:09 Um, so I just want to make sure that everybody's being, you know, equally looked at. Just Yeah. So, that's just one thing that I'm concerned
52:17 about the parking. Um, you're saying that the oil grease removal, all that, they have a certificate that's going to be done. So, and you guys are all satisfied with that?
52:26 Yeah, they need a com commissary. State regulations. Yep. The other commissioner always brings that up. So, um, and I
52:34 think in regards to the concerns, I mean, I I've I listened to the the two the two people that came up um in
52:42 regards to concerns with noise and I that was one of my questions as well and I see that you all added and I just wanted to just let them know that um on
52:51 number four the resolution the specific conditions there's no outdoor entertainment speakers or music music are going to be allowed. So, that's
52:58 added. So, I wanted to make sure that you all knew that. Um, and also in regards to so, so the hours of
53:06 operations are definitely 7 days a week, 400 p.m. to 10 p.m. So, that's it's not going to change. That's what they're going to do.
53:13 That's what they of that's what they informed us and agreed upon. Yeah.
53:17 Okay. Um, let me see if there's anything else.
53:21 You already talked about the parking. My question was how many spaces are required because, you know, we were requiring that to the other to the other
53:27 areas. Um, yeah. The other thing, you know, I'm looking at the site itself. Does the
53:35 owner of this property, the community also own the property in the back, the vacant land in the back?
53:42 I believe so. Um, but I would I would have to verify that. But I believe this this is you're talking about this
53:50 southern Well, yeah, there's a there's a section in the back before the street there.
53:54 That's No, that's No. So, they just own this area back here. So, within the yellow outline.
54:01 Okay. And then, but I do not know if they own this.
54:03 And that's a roadway that goes to the jewelry. That's a jewelry.
54:07 Yes, that's a jewelry. And I think also a law office.
54:10 Okay. And then I guess that the rest of the property is theirs. Yeah.
54:14 Okay. Um and we're not requiring a buffer or anything like that as well.
54:20 In regards to that. Okay. All right. Um, I have no further questions unless something else comes up from other conversations, but I'm good for now.
54:28 Thank you. Perfect. Thank you, Commissioner May.
54:30 Um, Commissioner Kramer, thank you, Chair. This to me is a pretty
54:37 straightforward request. Um and it staff would this have met our city
54:46 council's future proposal of not coming before the planning and zoning if they change. So with the we will be bringing
54:54 a ordinance in June and with the proposed ordinance that we will be bringing uh if it was approved on how it
55:03 is written now this would not go to council PNZ this would be permitted outright.
55:08 Okay. I want to make that very clear that that timing on this um should we deny this was if it had come to you
55:16 would have passed this on. So, um, well, they would have to go, they would be permitted, but they would still have to go through site review process. Exactly.
55:23 Um, but it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't have to come to the board.
55:27 Correct. So, your your fire marshall inspections have been done with the bu you're meeting uh code and compliance. You've got waste
55:35 handling looks like it's being complied with. Again, no music, no audio, no outdoor entertainment. The cups tied to
55:43 the land, not to the operator. And if there's any inactivity of 60 days, the cup is void and the cup can be amended
55:50 if it's inadequate for the parking. So, um while it might be unpleasant for residents, unfortunately,
55:59 this meets the threshold criteria that that um almost demands approval. So, um I have no further questions.
56:08 Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Um Commissioner Hoisen.
56:13 Thank you, Chair. Um, I had some of the same concerns that my fellow commissioners have brought forward. Um, specifically with the traffic when you
56:22 add another establishment on 50, the traffic that's going to build up. So, will the gas station be open the same hours as the food truck?
56:31 I believe the gas station closes at 8.
56:34 Yeah, eight. Okay. So, that's what I was concerned about. The number of people coming in to get gas, where people parking, getting in and off of the major
56:42 highway. Um, I wanted to also I was concerned about what would there be sitting areas or would it just be get your food and leave. Um, my other
56:51 question I guess is the staff um where you state that the final location will be confirmed during the site review to ensure compliance. I guess my question
56:59 is why don't we have the final like why do we have to wait before the
57:06 final location is done? Why isn't that information provided to us now? So we get a conceptual when we bring when we
57:14 bring a application to you. Um we with doing a a site review it would be
57:23 in the best interest of the applicant to get permission that it's allowed to do do something at a specific location uh to go through that site review process.
57:33 One, it's it's costly for the applicant.
57:35 Uh and then second um after we have the okay that it's a permitted use or conditional use that is when we can look
57:44 at the standards of setbacks or with fire from uh fire aspect of making sure it's a certain distance from the
57:51 building. Um so that's a part of any normal conditional use permit that the site review is done afterwards uh of the the granting of of a conditional use.
58:03 Okay. Thank you. Um, and then my other thing is when because it's a food truck, are we not concerned about the parking, the number of parking spaces available?
58:12 Because it's a food truck. It was a permanent structure there. We would say because of this size, you must have x number of parking available. Is it is it
58:20 because it's a food truck that that's not considered?
58:25 Um, that's a great question. Uh I I believe with uh that's why we put that condition there that if parking does become inadequate then we can revoke it.
58:37 Uh with these conditional uses with this a food truck we don't know we can't really anticipate how many um how many
58:45 cars are going to be coming in at a certain rate or and since it's only takeout uh they should just be coming in and coming out. there won't be any
58:54 stacking or uh you know people that are coming in sitting for a while. They'll just come in and leave. But uh that's
59:02 why that condition was added because if there is a problem and we do see that this site is inadequate for the amount of vendors or patrons that are coming
59:11 that we do have the right to to revoke it.
59:14 Okay. Um, and my only my last comment that I'd like to make um, listening to the concerns of the um,
59:23 of the public, the couple that live in the area.
59:27 Um, I can remember a conversation that we had during the workshop where when we make decisions, are we do it in the best interest of Clermont or do we look in the best interest of the community?
59:37 Um, do we take in consideration how this impacts those that are living there 24/7? how this changes their whole structure of of their lifestyle, right?
59:48 Um, but not to hinder businesses coming on, jobs and all of that. At at what point do we look at what's in the best
59:55 interest of those that are surrounding there 247?
59:59 Um, and and as she said, when is enough is enough? Are we turning into a food truck city? Um, but if they meet the
1:00:08 requirements, as my commissioner said, you know, what do we do? But I think we need to start thinking when we look at
1:00:15 things like this, what's in the best interest of that community, those that are impacted there 247 because we're not
1:00:24 we're not we make decisions on something that's going to impact someone that we don't live in that neighborhood. So I just ask that we think of that looking
1:00:32 at all the requirements. Do they meet the requirements? But at the same time, what's in the best interest of those that are living there? And thank you, Mr. Chair.
1:00:40 Thank you, Commissioner Hoisington. Um, I guess I can I can ask a couple quick quick questions. Um, first one's for the
1:00:48 applicant really. Um, so they were in a previous location. You were in a previous location before this one. Where were you located?
1:01:13 Yeah, they were uh they were parked at the former advance auto across the street where those new batting cages are.
1:01:21 Yes.
1:01:21 Uh their their truck was just parked there. It it wasn't operating though.
1:01:25 Okay. I guess the followup to that was this obviously is not the it's not a relatively new business. Where where were they Yeah. Where were they doing business before?
1:01:37 Davenport. Davenport.
1:01:39 Okay. And the location of that Davenport one, was that at a gas station? Was it at a um You know where it was? Gas station.
1:01:52 It was down by Little Caesars.
1:01:55 Okay. So, it was in like a restaurant parking lot area like that kind of, right?
1:02:01 Well, there was it was like a a green space kind of.
1:02:05 Okay, got it. Okay, thank you. That's helpful. So, okay. So, that's where it was for a bit. Um, perfect.
1:02:13 Next question. I guess Nick, maybe if you if you if you know the answer for this. Um, they talked about one of the commissioners talked about propane tanks and kind of how how that works. Mhm.
1:02:23 Um, you know, I don't like to delve too much into companies business practices and whatnot, but is it is it the same
1:02:30 type of business where they they have propane t propane tanks that their burners are usually running off of or
1:02:37 are you do we know what they're usually using?
1:02:40 That that's something that fire would ask during site review to ensure that you know it's the correct propane tanks.
1:02:47 Yeah. Um and if if not then fire would require it that they would have to change it. Okay, perfect. Um I'm I am gen generally okay
1:02:56 with this. I think the one thing that I do have a question on and I think more maybe this will have to be something that council will have to look at. Um,
1:03:04 in terms of hours, um, usually I know the real estate, uh, company that's across the street that has the three of
1:03:12 them, they usually will they get done with their business and then the food trucks will run for a little bit longer. Um, I I think for
1:03:21 something like this, and again, I don't like to to to force people to have hours, but I do think it would be
1:03:29 something to think about to change your hours to kind of match the snowco. Um, and the only reason I say that is
1:03:36 because it's a little, you all know, like going to get gas at a place after it's closed, it doesn't
1:03:46 always invite the best characters, I guess I'll say.
1:03:50 And and more so just as somebody who lives close by, if I see somebody in that area, even if there is something there, it could definitely
1:04:00 make somebody feel like the area is not as safe as it is. And and the only reason I'm saying that is because I'm being cognizant of the folks who live nearby. Um so it is something that I
1:04:09 would highly highly recommend. Um you know maybe even if we if everybody's okay with it, maybe even putting that into a condition to say, hey, you know, reassess the times that you're open.
1:04:19 Maybe opening a little earlier and close the same time as the SNOC. Um but I would I would caution that um in terms
1:04:27 of staying a couple hours later than the Sonokco is. Um, so that is something that I definitely would would be curious
1:04:35 on. Um, the other thing is, uh, I and I'm looking at the aerial of this and I've looked at Google Maps as well. Um,
1:04:42 with the parking situation, I know we've talked about this at length, but it's obviously four there's four regular parking spots, parking spots for the gas
1:04:51 where people are going to park. And I think from what I'm seeing it looks like there's
1:04:59 six six or seven spots I want to say for the Sonokco in general. Am I wrong?
1:05:05 This is that you're talking about where the re where the rectangle is?
1:05:08 No, I'm talking about just like in general for In general. Yeah.
1:05:12 Yeah. Um I know there's four where the rectangle is. So that's a location that we're going to have to look at of not taking those spaces away. Okay.
1:05:20 Um, and then, uh, you do count the pumps, so that's another that's eight, four. So that's Yeah.
1:05:27 Okay. Now, I guess my my next question is for the owner, are you going to park in one of those spaces or are you going to be parking on the grass behind it?
1:05:36 Um, where do you usually park?
1:05:54 the truck. 9:30. Okay. So, not Okay. Okay.
1:06:08 Your own person.
1:06:18 in the grass area. His pis his personal will be in the grass area.
1:06:21 Okay. Now Okay. Okay. That's that's helpful for me to kind of because in my head I'm like, "Okay, that's that's one space going away.
1:06:30 Exactly. That's another space that's being taken up there." So it it might get a little crowded. Um Okay. I Okay,
1:06:38 you guys have answered my questions and uh Commissioner Kramer has actually uh uh informed me that the snowco closes at
1:06:45 9:30. So, I I think even if it's 30 minutes, it would still be it would still I think it would still be better. Um
1:06:53 it doesn't if they shut down the gas station.
1:07:00 Yeah. the gas station. Yeah.
1:07:10 Yeah.
1:07:11 Uh yeah, thank you guys. Um so, uh so yeah. Okay, that's that's my obviously the vote will go how it goes, but that
1:07:19 is my my recommendation to hopefully to the board and to to everyone else. Um, I'm from a planning from a zoning
1:07:28 perspective, I I realize folks are are not excited about more food trucks coming. Um,
1:07:37 but if we can make sure that this one falls in line with our code, I'm generally okay with it. Just I would
1:07:44 really really caution you about the hours and about this parking situation.
1:07:49 And next time, just for Mr. Romelo, I believe Mr. for Romel. Um, I would recommend having the owner of the plot
1:07:57 come with you next time because there are a lot of questions that they're going to have for him. Um, especially being a owner and it makes it'll make
1:08:07 your life easier as well. So, I would caution that for the future. Um, so that
1:08:13 is all I have. Um, I will um entertain a motion for the rest of my commissioners
1:08:20 unless anybody else has some some notes or whatnot.
1:08:25 I have uh so in regards to parking again because the parking is where I have the issue here. Um and and I agree with my
1:08:34 fellow commissioner and chairman today um that I wish the owner was here because that he could answer those questions in especially in regards to
1:08:42 that uh grassy area behind the um the gas station because I can just see just
1:08:50 a bunch of people just parking like crazy in the back and trying to find parking here and there and um just wish
1:08:57 that there was a way to actually see exactly where this designated parking is
1:09:03 I mean again going back to the other uh food trucks that we approved it just made it so much easier because they were
1:09:11 so designated. So I mean if you know I'm still kind of like what does inadequate mean? You know I'm just it just there's
1:09:19 a lot of still questions. I do agree in regards to the hours of operations should follow exactly like the the convenience store or the gas station.
1:09:28 So, if we can change the language that says the hours operations will coincide with the gas station hours, if we can make that change on that, but I'm still
1:09:37 kind of on that parking. So, I'm just And as far as parking, um, if it does seem that the parking spaces are
1:09:45 inadequate, uh, we can, you know, talk with the property owner. They do have room in the back if that if they needed to create more gravel parking, um, that
1:09:54 they can go through site review and and and or get that permitted to to add a more designated parking area to add spaces to the overall site.
1:10:07 I have no more questions. Awesome. Thank you.
1:10:10 Perfect. Okay, I will entertain a motion.
1:10:19 All right. Seeing as uh nobody else is speaking, I will make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-011R
1:10:30 myro conditional use permit with a recommendation of adjusting operated eating hours to close aligning with the business at 9:30.
1:10:44 Are we sure it's 9:30?
1:10:51 You need to come to the microphone if you wish to speak. But it is their advertised operating hours is 9:30.
1:10:59 I just want to make sure because if it's closes at 8 then you know I just I I I'm just going by what the operating
1:11:06 there's nobody there. nobody there at 9ine. And it has to do with how many people come and hang out in the parking
1:11:14 lot and go in the store and that type of thing and they bring a lot of um Yeah, we do see this. I mean, we live there again, Robert Polley, we see this.
1:11:25 That's our only biggest, you know, our biggest worry there. Other thing is how long is this? What's the lease on this?
1:11:30 Are we looking at six months, a year? I mean, is there anything like that? And again, our other thing is where does it stop? You bring one in. And I've got
1:11:39 pictures of it if you can't tell on there, but that whole back row right now has an RV parked there. There's a a big
1:11:46 huge box truck parked there. There's a blue Toyota four-wheel drive parked there. There's another car parked there.
1:11:54 That's my biggest worry. I don't want to take away small business. I'm living on small business. This country was built on small business. I don't I don't want to take care of it. But there's a
1:12:03 there's a spot for it here and then there's a spot here. Just putting a food truck next to a gas station and with
1:12:10 that area in the back, they move all that of the way. Do we go from one food truck and I'm not exactly sure what you
1:12:18 were? So, does this come to a point now that now you don't have to come in front of city council?
1:12:23 So, so what's that?
1:12:25 So, just to elaborate on that and I'm not going to speak too much on it because it's not pertinent to this item, but eventually staff will come back with a new ordinance. Not now and not to us
1:12:33 but to council about changing the code to look at something else or look at Okay. I didn't know if that just meant oh come in and flood.
1:12:41 Not right. Not right now.
1:12:42 Our city is just it's a beautiful city and I've watched it steadily go down and down and 50 is just popping up. Yep. Yep.
1:12:50 And I understand food trucks are are cheaper revenue.
1:12:54 Um perfect. Thank you. We've we've we've got it now, Mr. Robert. Thank you. Completely. Thank you guys. Um if sorry.
1:13:05 Okay, we do have a motion in front of us. Um would like to hear a second or open somebody open for a discussion when that second comes.
1:13:14 I second, but I want to make sure what our conditions were. Perfect.
1:13:18 It was a recommendation to adjust their operating hours, not a condition.
1:13:22 Are you Thank you. It was a recommendation to adjust operating hours, not a condition.
1:13:27 Okay. And was there anything about parking?
1:13:31 No, it's just to just to clarify already included staff's already said that if there's any problem with parking
1:13:39 that they can that that it would come back before them.
1:13:42 Just to clarify, it's a it's a it's a um revision of condition number three. Okay.
1:13:50 So, I just wanted to let you know because on condition number three, it says the hours of operations will be seven days a week, 4 to 10 p.m.
1:13:57 Yeah. Then we're revising it to the hours of the to match the sookco to match the sookco. Yeah. Okay.
1:14:03 Now the number eight in regards to parking. That's where the my question is which is that it is deemed to be inadequate. And so I'm still trying to figure out what is inadequate.
1:14:14 Again I like to have every food truck if they come in front of us equal to what requirements are for each food truck.
1:14:22 So okay with that I second the motion. Okay.
1:14:28 So, we have a motion and a second. Um, it's not a roll call. Uh, I think we're all in order, right? We can go ahead and
1:14:36 move to vote. All right. Um, so we have a motion and a second. Um, all those in favor, please vote I. I. I.
1:14:44 Okay. All those opposed. Nay.
1:14:47 Perfect. Uh, chair votes I as well. So, the motion passes from a four to one.
1:14:53 Um, again, Nick, again, please um
1:15:03 let let them know when they come. They need to bring the owner. They don't need to bring the owner, but I can guarantee I'll recommend it.
1:15:11 This will not. Yep, I agree.
1:15:13 Okay, perfect. Okay. Um so, at this time, uh that is the only new business that's on
1:15:21 here. Um, if there's no other agenda items, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn.
1:15:28 I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Can I get a second? I second.
1:15:32 Perfect. Uh, all those in favor, please say I. I. I. All those opposed. Chair votes I as well. Have a wonder. Good job, Mr. Chairman.
1:15:41 Thank you. Can I have a cheat? Yes, you can. Thank you. Just in case.
1:15:50 I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you for participating.
1:15:57 I was like, and then tonight it came in handy. I'm like, what? Damn. I got You did great. I appreciate it.
1:16:06 So, educational leadership and policy. Okay. Yeah.
1:16:09 So, it was a health health and education and sciences.
1:16:17 It's funny because they it was different but then she gave a big big donation and they changed it to her name. So the Ann Spencer School of Health and Leadership
1:16:27 is tell who she is. She she's old. Yeah. Not Sarah Blakeley, but she's old. Yeah.
1:16:35 Who was your um So it was funny. We didn't have like a big one. It wasn't Sarah Blake. It wasn't Sarah Blake lively. It was
1:16:43 literally the president and our dean and that was it.
1:16:45 I heard the one Yes. Yeah. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah Blake.
1:16:50 Sarah Blakeley. Yeah. She was She was the big one. She was the big one. Yeah. So, she was not at yours.
1:16:55 No. No. I was like, "Oh." I was like, "Oh, man. They held out on us." So, you did There's a 9:00 and then what? And then And I think there was a either a 1:00.
1:17:05 We were at two.
1:17:06 Okay. So, then yours might have been next then on Friday. Yeah. Yours might have been next cuz it was nine. I think two and then they had two two or three on Saturday.
1:17:14 Oh, okay. Saturday.
1:17:16 They had some on Saturday, so they ran through it relatively quickly. It was packed.
1:17:21 Y'all was Yeah. I saw a picture. I was like, "Oh, man. That was Yours wasn't as No, because So there was only 261
1:17:28 doctoral students." Okay. Yeah. Well, even the Tool had a section. Oh, did they? Yeah.
1:17:34 Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. They were like engineering. Okay. Okay.
1:17:41 Okay. Yeah, I'd say I guess would know, but almost 150 at least, I think.
1:17:47 But anyway, I just packed the whole floor.
1:17:50 I think they said it was about 7,000 bachelors that day. Maybe it was like six or 7,000 bachelors that got there.
1:17:58 I was like, you guys probably sat there for wild trying to get in there. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
1:18:06 and I can imagine like, how long do you guys think it took? How long do you think it took? Yeah, we were there.
1:18:13 We got there, of course, probably by Patrick.
1:18:23 Okay. Go takes a gazillion pictures.
1:18:28 Yeah. Yeah. You're like, "Dang, can we go?" That was me. I was literally like, "All right, I'm ready to go, guys. I'm ready." I'm like, "I'm ready." They're like, "You don't want to take any more
1:18:36 pictures?" Like, "No, I'm done. Like, I want to go home.
1:18:41 and notify the other task force members that will be appreciating
1:19:06 Kurt. You did you talk to Kurt about the science?
1:19:09 Super sloo. Super sloo. I was I was I was getting ready to get up and talk the other day. I'm like I can't follow that
1:19:30 I'm jealous. I don't What's that?